You are right that Adventist evangelicals are moving away from Seventh-day Adventism as it has been known in the past, yet, they still cling to Ellen G. White. But the REAL message of the Gospel is Jesus' death for our sins, and God's forgiveness. Salvation is a result of the unmerited love of God, not of something we do. In fact, when Jesus died on the cross, He said, "It is finished." He was talking about OUR SALVATION. To suggest that we have to do anything at all to complete our salvation, including keeping Saturday as the Sabbath (in preference to another day) at the very least is calling Jesus a liar, and at the very worst, blasphemy. SDA's are taught to live in the Old Testament law, which condemns. Salvation is by GRACE; it is NOT a product of works, and not even PARTLY a product of works. Ephesians 2:8-9. And when anybody teaches that there is something a person must DO to be saved, then one is making what I call the Catholic mistake. Folks, the requirement to keep the Sabbath and refrain from eating meat is the same tactic the Roman Catholic church uses!!!!! So SDA is basically hating the Roman Catholic church because the two groups are too much alike!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having studied Ellen G. White extensively (having read a number of her books), I have concluded that she contradicts the Bible on the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
White's health message is guaranteed to result in serious malnutrition for anybody who follows it. I know: I have extensively studied nutrition, and I am familiar with state-of-the-art information, including the knowledge that there are at least a dozen essential nutrients you can get ONLY from meat or animal products (which includes Vitamin B12, L-carnitine, and Omega 3 fatty acids, and you CANNOT get these in absorbable form from ANY vegetarian source, period!) And in my experience, Adventists do NOT supplement with any of them! The bottom line on this is that God COMMANDED Noah and his descendants to eat meat. It's not an option. It is a requirement. And I studied that passage in the original Hebrew. The form of the verb used is the qal, which is the same form used in the phrase "let there be" in Genesis 1. Recall that the instant God said, "Let there be," something was called into existence out of nothing! In other words, eating meat is INEVITABLE, and if you don't eat it, then you die! Perhaps slowly and painfully, but die nonetheless. Why did God want us to eat meat? It's real simple, folks! We needed to understand that DEATH is the penalty for sin. Our bodies were changed so that we require the deaths of animals to stay healthy. The symbolism of this requirement is that Jesus, the spotless Lamb of God, had to die for our sins, so that we would not die eternally. The Bible SPECIFICALY CONDEMNS any organization that forbids eating meat: I Timothy 4:1-3 (this passage condemns both Adventism and Roman Catholicism). See also Deuteronomy 14.
The Bible also condemns the requirement that a Christian observe particular days: Colossians 2:16-17. Jesus nailed all those ordinances to the Tree: Colossians 2:10-17. Read the whole chapter. The Sabbath is a sign of the genetic Jews: Deuteronomy 5:12-15 (note that it is directed toward the people God brought out of Egypt: when was the last time you were in Egypt? I have never been there). If you are not a genetic Jew, then you are a gentile, and the Apostles clearly taught that gentile Christians are NOT REQUIRED to keep the Mosaic covenant: Acts 15:1-11, Hebrews 8:6-13.
Keep in mind that the PENALTY for
breaking the Sabbath is death by stoning: Exodus 31:14, Numbers 15:32-35. When
was the last time Seventh-day Adventists stoned someone for not keeping the
Sabbath? Isn't this failure hypocrisy?
And while we are on that subject, please note that Ellen G. White contradicted
herself. Sometimes she claimed that Jesus was without sin, and sometimes she
claimed He had a sin nature. Folks, Jesus is GOD! To claim that God has a sin
nature is blasphemy!!!!!!
Furthermore, I PERSONALLY checked 75% of the research of Walter Rea (The White
Lie), and found it to be totally accurate. I acquired copies of White's books
and of the books she copied from and compared the passages he quotes from her
books with the passages in the originals from which she copied. It's real simple,
folks! Ellen G. White harped on the necessity of keeping the Commandments while
she systematically lived a lifestyle of disobedience to three of them: she lied,
she coveted, and she stole. She knew good and well what plagiarism was, and
she engaged in it wholesale, and told the world she got those words directly
from God. So she lied. She wanted passages from other people's writings. So
she coveted. She then acted on that covetousness by stealing those passages.
Not only did she falsely claim the passages came directly from God to her, but
she robbed those people of the income that was rightfully theirs, which God
intended for the support of their families. They had put in the effort into
their writings, and their writings were protected by copyright. You have a false
prophet who lived a lifestyle of rebellion against three commandments, and you
choose to follow her? Why?
Praise God that 100,000 Adventists left the denomination when they found out
their "spirit of prophecy" was a covetous liar and a thief!
You have the prerogative of believing whatever you want, but it is simple fraud
to call the Adventist message Christian in any way.
Yes, you have to choose. I choose the Bible. Ellen G. White fails the test of
a prophet, and no amount of hedging by calling her the "spirit of prophecy"
will change that fact. If a prophet gives ONE false prophecy, then he is not
of the Lord. Period. End of argument. Ellen G. White gave a number of prophecies
that were totally false. See Deuteronomy 18:22.
Adding to the Bible is strictly forbidden, and the penalties are harsh: Deuteronomy
4:2, 12:32, Proverbs 30:5-6, Revelation 22:18-19. This includes adding the writings
of anybody, and THIS includes adding the writings of Ellen G. White.
One of the distinguishing doctrines of Adventism is the Investigative Judgment,
and I have just one question to ask about that: if Jesus is God, why would He
have to investigate anything? Doesn't God already KNOW everything? Think about
this: why would God conceal such an essential doctrine from Christians until
White came along? If you have to believe in the Investigative Judgment to be
saved, then all those people who lived before her time are condemned. Does this
fit with God's mercy? What about White's claim that we will stand before God
without a mediator? Do you have a prayer of being forgiven and accepted into
God's presence if Jesus isn't there to plead His blood on your behalf? Isn't
it Jesus' blood that covers our sins? Adventists may not have a mediator, but
praise God, I do! And my Mediator is none other than Christ Jesus, our Lord!
1 Timothy 2:5, 1 John 2:1.
Following Ellen G. White is the one issue that keeps the SDA squarely in the
category of a false church. Until the evangelicals reject her, they are not
really and truly departing from the SDA message at all.
For the record, one of our sons joined the SDA church. After awhile, he and his wife (a lifelong member, whose father is a retired pastor) went to live in a lifestyle center. The damage to their physical health as a result of the White diet (veganism, essentially) almost killed both of them. I also saw his generous, compassionate personality almost completely destroyed during this time. He was actually engaging in violence. His biggest quarrel with the lifestyle center was that they were not strictly following White. They considered him rebellious for saying so. After three and a half months, he renounced Adventism. Praise God! But except for a brief period of lucidity, he has been in total rebellion against God ever since. His marriage was destroyed. He can no longer read the Bible. And his compassionate personality has been completely buried under a layer of hardness and coldness toward his loved ones
Is this what you want? I will have
no part of it!
Yes, PRAY for divine enlightenment, but be prepared to LISTEN to God's response.
Will you examine your faith analytically; will you study the Bible? If you cannot
study the Bible without filtering it through White's ideas, you are already
lost. Study the Bible alone. If White is in accord with the Bible, you will
learn it from the pure study of the Bible. If not, then you must be open to
learn this. Use a different translation from the one you are accustomed to so
that you can think about the actual words and not merely parrot an idea. The
NIV is probably a good one to use.
My commentaries on Seventh-day Adventism are here:
http://www.seghea.com/pat/bible/cultindex.html
I will be adding more material, so stop by again in a few weeks.
I would like to thank Temcat for writing. He prompted me to write this email,
and I will be putting it on my web site immediately.
Pat Goltz
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Temcat wrote:
I recieved your letter somehow and
I wanted to write to you in loving concern.I want to tell you that SDA Demoninational
doings and SDA denominationall teachings are NOT the same at all as the REAL
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST MESSAGE.In the 1950s the denomination swung dramatically
off course to seek to come into harmony with Evangelical and mainline Protestant
churches.Now it is almost impossible to hear the real SDA message from the official
denomination of publications. The Denomination has been infiltrated in the higher
levels by the Lord's enemies. BUT there is a real message of SDA truth and it
is a solid ROCK on which I fully believe and have confidence that all who anchor
on that Rock will be safe from the trials that lie ahead. I have gone through
simialr disalusionment and confusion in the past; I was confusing the professed
denomination with the REAL CHURCH! but then I was guided to learn what the reall
SDA message is and I have found a solid and complete platform of truth.I do
not tell you 'stay with the denomination', but I urge you to learn and stay
with the MESSAGE! If you leave it- the time will come when you will eternally
regret this choice.It is surely true as the Bible says: Ro 3:4 ... yea, let
God be true, but every man a liar;His truth does not become a lie because they
don't obey it- and it does not become a lie because they have tried to replace
it with watered-down mumbo-jumbo from other denominations. I want to share with
you the material I have on the Webs that I do as it is solid truth - you will
find and anchor for your souls. Especially go through the Prophecy movies and
Slide shows here-
http://www.temcat.com/Remnant-Prophecy/index.htmTemcat's House
http://www.temcat.comhttp://remnantprophecy.sdaglobal.orghttp://www.sdadefend.comhttp://www.ellenwhitedefend.comhttp://www.bible-sabbath.comhttp://www.present-truth.orghttp://www.worldincrisis.orghttp://www.harrypottermagic.org
http://www.evolution-facts.org
http://www.pathlights.com
"TemCat" =^..^=
temcat@castle.on.ca
Temcat's House
http://www.temcat.com
TEMKIT for children-
http://www.temkit.com
Hi!
More specifically, the prophetess writes: A message will soon be given by God's appointment that will swell into a loud cry. . . . We are standing upon the borders of the greatest event in the world's history, and Satan must not have power over the people of God, causing them to sleep on. The papacy will appear in its power. . . . The time of trouble is near, and we are to awake to a realization of this.--Letter 54, 1906. {4MR 330.1}
I do not regard this woman as a prophetess, because her prophesies failed, and she contradicted the Bible in her teachings. For evidence, see my website - http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism - and the following links:
http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/bobsfals.html
http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/egw03.html
http://www.ellenwhite.org/critich.htm
http://www.ellenwhite.org/index.html
http://www.ellenwhite.org/egw7.htm
http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/albig.html
http://www.sdaoutreach.org/
http://www.apostasyrevealed.com/
If the voice of the dragon shifting
into high gear where is the special testimony of truth from heaven to counteract?
The truth is where it always was. Unfortunately, Satan has led many today to
proclaim that Christ's Church is a dragon.
It is written that God cannot lie [Titus 1:2]; and as the preaching of the judgment
hour message resulted in the midnight cry likewise this message will end in
a loud cry.
What's the message?
If God cannot lie, then Ellen White's
prophesies show they never came from God. It makes me wonder about the denominations
that still follow her.
God bless,
Stephen
--
Stephen Korsman
skorsman@theotokos.co.za
www.theotokos.co.za
www.theotokos.co.za/adventism
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From:
James R <mailto:james.r@designsquare.com.sg>
To:
jac-public@jacglobal.net
Sent:
Thursday, January 30, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject:
Iceberg of faithlessness
Dear People,
Mark 7:18-23, KJV
18 And he saith unto them, ARE YE SO WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING ALSO? DO YE NOT PERCEIVE, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 FOR FROM WITHIN, OUT OF THE HEART OF MEN, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.²
To an honest man - the above words of the Lord are as plain as they can be.
The
things that defile the man(which of course must amount to sin) are inextricably
connected to the heart. Does the cigarette smoke drawn into the lungs of a man
leak into his heart, i.e. his spirit? Does it also have the power to invade
his mind and generate wicked imaginations; to make the heart and thoughts of
that man evil, move him to execute those sins? DOES IT?
GO ON. THINK HARD ON THIS, WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, and see if you can stretch, twist, warp and distort it in good conscience, so you can go on picnicking, I am sorry, picketing with the false science crowd!
I assert that at the root of the anti-smoking campaign lies the EVIL HEART that fails to trust in the simple authoritative words of the Lord. IF THIS BE TRUE, it can only mean that, this is only the tip of an iceberg of faithlessness. Does this describe you? Then I suggest that you watch over your heart. Be careful what you believe! For you have been listening to sermons by the bible hating, ANTI-LIBERTY OF CHRIST preaching, demons. YOU as a proponent of this campaign have unwittingly imbibed the demonic poison of worldly wisdom - and have despised the wisdom of Christ. Is it right that you share in the communion of the Lord and drink of the goblet of the demons too?
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. I charge everyone on this list who stand behind this illegitimate law, which YOU have erected for the rest of us; to come forth once and for all, and state UNEQUIVOCALLY for the record, that SMOKING IS A SIN and prove it from the scriptures.
I say that YOU CANNOT FIND one scripture that states implicitly or otherwise that the introduction of any substance or food (processed or otherwise) into the body amounts to sin of any kind.
Philippians 4:6,7, KJV
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.²
We live in a CORRUPTED world, whose corruption increases everyday; where it is close to an impossibility to be 100% sure, that anything we come into contact with or consume can be 100% safe and pure, 100% of the time. Because, there is simply NO SUCH THING in this world, as 100% safe food (or anything), 100% of the time, except in the vain imagination of a worldly wise person. In fact, by the token of same reasoning, I am left to wonder if there is also such a thing as 100% pure, even sometimes? Let us then acknowledge that, as long as we are in this world and age, there is simply no way to go on living without being touched by its impurity and WORMS; no such thing as peace or a sanctuary from its corruption, I.E. EXCEPT BY FAITH AND THANKSGIVING.
What remains for us to do then is to separate sin from the Liberty in Christ. Determine what is of man and demons, and what is of Christ.
1 Corinthians 6:12, KJV
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
The above says it all. Sin here is defined as being under the power of (slave to) something. As long you posses the power to choose to be connected or disconnected with something at will, you are NOT under the power of that thing.
That being the case, I will state for the record that even substances that intoxicate, may it be that they are strong enough to "knock you out" cold, does not amount to sin. But SLAVERY to intoxication is of course sin. Which is why, to WINE and dine is NOT a sin, even though no one can say that wine does not intoxicate. In fact WINE typically contains more alcohol then any given brand of the derided beer. So beer is fine too.
Furthermore, a strong need, desire or affinity for consumption, does not automatically translate into slavery. Many confuse one for the other. Both a need and a slavery when not satisfied can be decapitating e.g. extreme hunger, thirst, as well voluntary, uncontrolled, hard core, drug addiction of any kind. And the two are not defined by whether they fall into the category of nutrition or just recreation, but rather if they are being consumed without constrain and COMPLETE LACK OF CONTROL.
Lack of control being the signature indicator of slavery ...... and that surely IS sin.
Everybody knows that there are many things which we all partake (Saints: hopefully with Holy Ghost discretion) without an evil conscience, that don't necessarily fall into the nutrition category. I call them SOUL FOOD e.g. coffee, tea, a can of Coke, a lollipop, pop corns, candy bars, potato chips, all kinds of snacks, the list goes on..... What I am saying here becomes all the more EVIDENT, if you will only stop to consider, how all manner of decaffeinated coffee and tea, no cholesterol chips, no calories lollipops and candy bars, and diet Coke and pop sodas, grace the brightly lit shelves of our neighbourhood Hyper-marts. These products that represent multi-billion dollar businesses, are OBVIOUS indicators that people, NOT baring even health god worshipers, have a REAL needs for consuming things apart from need for nutrition. Health freaks or not PEOPLE NEED THEIR SOUL FOOD!
In fact, conspicuously by Divine design, there are aspects to just about every perfectly wholesome nutritious food, that has NOTHING to do with nutrition and everything to do with the "soul" part of consumption e.g. taste, colour, scent, texture and ...... psychosomatic side effects like relaxing, uplifting etc. I suppose you already know where I am going with this ....
YES, my intention is to tell you that SMOKING falls into that category, that is defined purely as "soul" food. Go do your interpolation .....
AH, I see the pickets frantically bobbing up and down with increasing fervency; some people feverishly leafing through their concordances and bibles back and forth, to fire me dead with a verse or two ....
1 Corinthians 6:19, KJV
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
If your search for ammunition to shoot me down landed you on the above verse, I suggest that YOU ABANDON YOUR HOPE OF USING IT! For you have stepped on the land mine that is about to demolish the illegitimate Anti-Smoking war, you have so religiously waged. The Apostle Paul here is talking about SEXUAL SIN as the ONLY THING THAT DEFILES THE BODY.
1 Corinthians 6:18, KJV
18 FLEE FORNICATION.
Every sin that a man doeth is WITHOUT the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
To paraphrase: you CONNOT commit sin against your body which is the temple of the Holy Ghost in any other way EXCEPT by sexual misconduct.
DEAR PEOPLE, if health is the measure of holiness, then all Christians without exception must strive to participate at the next Olympics at Beijing! HAVE YOU BEEN TRAINING ALREADY? NO? I didn't think so either.
Make no mistake about it; sickness is almost ALWAYS the result of sin. But that sin could be either sexual or every other evil thought and deed, not something eaten in good conscience with thanksgiving!
MOREOVER ... you have forgotten that ....
Romans 14:17, KJV
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Spirituality has nothing to do with what you eat or put in your body, but righteousness, and peace .... which comes by exercising God given faith. What is NOT defined as SIN, becomes the liberty of a Saint in Christ. Making rules that rob that liberty is in fact antichrist. Which explains, YOU KNOW WHERE, this kind of teaching comes from?
And what (and how much and how often) a Saint partakes PRIVATELY under his own roof is between himself and the Holy Spirit of God, and NOT a matter for anybody to judge, unless he is in your house, and less YOU want to come against Christ Himself.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16, KJV
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
You can put down you pickets now and give your tired hands a rest!
3 John 2
James R.
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From:
"Shane Rohrich" <strohrich@optusnet.com.au>
Date:
Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:35:34 +1100
To:
"James R" <james.r@designsquare.com.sg>, <jac-public@jacglobal.net>
Subject:
Iceberg of strange fire
For the Thoughtful struggling with the inner devestation of sin in ones life - you have read James r REVIEW - consider the following...
When, just when, did flesh and blood inherit the kingdom of God? 1Cor 15:50??
Now consider - when Jesus said "are ye also without understanding?" Mark 7:18 should we not read the context through to verse 23? The context and emphasis is not food but the inner carnal nature with a tremendous propensity to sin.
19 Because 3754 it entereth 1531 5736 not 3756 into 1519 his 846 heart, 2588 but 235 into 1519 the belly, 2836 and 2532 goeth out 1607 5736 into 1519 the draught, 856 purging 2511 5723 all 3956 meats 1033 ?
BELLY:
2836 [koilia /koy·lee·ah/] n f. From koilos (³hollow²); TDNT 3:786; TDNTA 446; GK 3120; 23 occurrences; AV translates as ³womb² 12 times, and ³belly² 11 times. 1 the whole belly, the entire cavity. 1a the upper [i.e. stomach] and the lower belly are distinguished. 2 the lower belly, the lower region, the receptacle of the excrement. 3 the gullet. 3a to be given up to the pleasures of the palate, to gluttony. 4 the womb, the place where the foetus is conceived and nourished until birth. 4a of the uterus of animals. 5 the innermost part of a man, the soul, heart as the seat of thought, feeling, choice.
It makes tremendous sense to apply the reality of the problem with spiritual man #5 and not the FOOD or SMOKE argument which the writer JAMES R is trying to impose. He asks two questions...
1) Does the cigarette smoke drawn into the lungs of a man leak into his heart, i.e. his spirit?
2) Does it also have the power to invade his mind and generate wicked imaginations; to make the heart and thoughts of that man evil, move him to execute those sins? DOES IT?
The following is ever so brief :-
ANSWER: #1 James R's order of logic is flawed. What he is saying is contrary to Jesus' whole important lesson. The decisions of life come from the stomach. Any decision to smoke the decision always came prior; the heart was already impure and the WHOLE point of what Jesus was intimating in Mark 7:21.
The desire to smoke came from a murderous, covetous, sinful and foolish heart. Still something vital is avoided. How else could He Jesus 'condemn sin in the flesh' with a mind corrupted and impoverished by a drug of addiction? He chose not, evidenced by what He did; He chose not to ingest the poisonous opiate of gall when SUFFERING on the cross.
ANSWER: #2 The wicked imaginations of the heart are another matter, but nicotine which has not been addressed is deadly poisonous and has an insidious and subtle grasp or 'power' over any man or woman who smokes. Such a power is NOT of God. The stain residue is on the fingers and it streams through the blood stream - provides the foulest of breath. Slave to tobacco - Unclean, unclean, unclean. A Slave to sin and in BONDAGE to sin repeatedly. God summons the last say - "He that is filthy, let him be filthy still"
JR = Then I suggest that you watch over your heart.
Is not the heart deceitful ABOVE all things and desperately WICKED? Jer 17:9 cf Mt 7:21,22?
JR
= there is simply NO SUCH THING in this world, as 100% safe food (or anything),
100% of the time,
There may not be but the argument to say something which is deadly is ok as is (nicotine), is damnable as it is the same as saying sinning is ok. There is no light in this 100% argument. It makes a mockery of Daniel 1.
JR = I say that YOU CANNOT FIND one scripture that states implicitly or otherwise that the introduction of any substance or food (processed or otherwise) into the body amounts to sin of any kind.
Its a big big question. Lets ask a ridiculous question to draw the reality of this unfaithful comment to holiness. Should we eat 'road kill' which has been left for a few days in the sun and believe that the introduction of SUCH a substance is not a sin?
The point is - Ravens can so eat it but humans? The fineries of the human mechanism are not designed for such atrocities. Did not the pagan religions add such items to their 'potions'? Think about it.
JR = What remains for us to do then is to separate sin from the Liberty in Christ.
We have asked and ask again - please answer the "how" of Rom 7:18! Such liberty as touted is nothing other than the Gospel's objective - 'perfection' in the sinful nature. John 17:23.
JR = 1 Corinthians 6:12, KJV
³12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.²
JR = The above says it all. Sin here is defined as being under the power of (slave to) something. As long you posses the power to choose to be connected or disconnected with something at will, you are NOT under the power of that thing.
JR = That being the case, I will state for the record that even substances that intoxicate, may it be that they are strong enough to "knock you out" cold, does not amount to sin. But SLAVERY to intoxication is of course sin.
We are thankful that at least James got the first part correct about bondage and being under the power... but Look again at the text appealed to ... "All things are lawful unto me," - in other words - all things within the scope of God's HOLY LAW and CHRISTIAN PRACTICE (AGAPE) were lawful to him.
Please think soberly about this rather stout exageration of James R. other wise Gal 5:22-23 is anathema and you make the practice of sin - righteousness by faith.
JR = Furthermore, a strong need, desire or affinity for consumption, does not automatically translate into slavery.
This is blurring truth.
Whoredom and wine and new wine take away the heart.
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink (booze) are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
Your handling "strange fire" James R.
JR = I call them SOUL FOOD e.g. coffee, tea, a can of Coke, a lollipop, pop corns, candy bars, potato chips, all kinds of snacks, the list goes on.....
It is easily proven such contribue highly to mood alterations, obesity and have no nutritional value period. The highly refined valueless food gives a good bout of constipation.
JR = PEOPLE NEED THEIR SOUL FOOD!
Not once did James R introduce the Bread of Life. Herein lies true soul food; not the debilitating junk theology he is pushing.
JR = DEAR PEOPLE, if health is the measure of holiness, then all Christians without exception must strive to participate at the next Olympics at Beijing!
Tell
the Dear People - why you sign off with 3John2 ?
Health is a measure to happiness and SOUL happiness - you glorify God in your body and this is something you do for He CREATED YOU - and He wants His people to be healthy and not sickly - both physically and spiritually.
JR = The Apostle Paul here is talking about SEXUAL SIN as the ONLY THING THAT DEFILES THE BODY.
Again truth is blurred. Drunkeness defiles the judgment as already mentioned above. No drunk shall enter the kingdom had you forgot the preceding verses James R. in your gusto to prove something which satisfies your carnal lusts?
"Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1Cor.6.10
Do you smoke when your drunk? Which is worse?
JR = To paraphrase: you CONNOT commit sin against your body which is the temple of the Holy Ghost in any other way EXCEPT by sexual misconduct.
Seems by drunkeness you can and much more! Do not idolators wear their IDOLS on their bodies, tattoos? (Lev 19:28?) What is abusers of themselves with mankind all about? Scared to answer, James R?
JR = What is NOT defined as SIN, becomes the liberty of a Saint in Christ.
This has already been defined - Gal.5.22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Nothing more and nothing less.
JR = Spirituality has nothing to do with what you eat or put in your body, but righteousness, and peace .... which comes by exercising God given faith.
This statement makes a mockery of the spiritual discernment of the superior quality which Daniel and the Three Worthies exhibited in the food halls of Babylon. ( Re-read Daniel 1 in total... )
Pro.23.19 Hear thou, my son, and be wise, and guide thine heart in the way. Pro.23.20
Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh"
James R - Priest of Baal: - who quaffs the "wine" and staggers "drunk with the wine of the wrath of her fornication".
Now James R - what then does 'fornication' mean?
It is vital to obtain the answer to the above question as it is God's statement alone.
thanks
s&t
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Original Message -----
From: James R
To: jac-public@jacglobal.net
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Iceberg of strange fire
Dear Shane,
Reticence does to equal to defeat.
I choose not respond to your parallax errors and positively mad triangulations. What I have to say by way of the scripture and reason with regards to Christian Liberty, has already been spelled out to best of my strength as afforded to me by the Lord. I am satisfied to let it end there.
You can call it strange fire, or me the Priest of Baal all you want. In the end everyone who will juxtapose my writing with your challenge and labelling, will have to decide for him/herself, who exactly is it that they see offering up strange fire. They will do so, counting the cost of their choice NOT before you OR me BUT before God who will judge the living and the dead ....... soon.
3 John 2
James R.